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vze2 Member |
I think we lost some of the better discussions on this topic. There is some discussion on the Questions for Bob G. thread around 11/6. Anyway, I was looking for the post where I did the math for GA Flash. I no longer remember how many volumes each would last and at what point we would reach the good stuff. As I recall, both Flash and Green Lantern need more than 10 volumes. I think the earliest volume that people would consider part of the good period is 8. If someone can correct me, please do. Bob said GA Flash is on the INITIAL list for 2004. Volume 1 was released in 1999. At this pace, we would get volume 3 in 2009. At this pace, we would get to volume 8 in 2034. GA GL was released in 1999 and 2002. At this pace, we would get to volume 8 in 2020. Would the pace increase, decrease, or stay the same? I see no reason for it to increase until we reach the "good" period. It seems likely to me that the pace will decrease for two reasons: 2. Over a period of 17 years for GL and 31 years for Flash, I believe that a substantial portion of the audience will die. Sorry. I believe srca1941's comments on the quality of the middle period, although I am not qualified to draw any conclusions on my own. However, I don't think that the material is good enough to increase demand. IP: Logged |
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vze2 Member |
Although I'm in favor of skipping, I don't think we should do so yet. First, we should get GA Flash 2. I think this will include All-Flash 1. Isn't this the third title to focus on a single character? This has got to be one of the most important GA comics that remains unArchived. Also, we should get Comic Cavalcade 1 (which I believe will be an anthology including the big 3, and probably just the big 3). Regardless of how this series is done, we should get one volume before making a decision. Sales of these two series might justify an increased pace for Flash and GL. Plus, this would buy time that can be used to carefully consider this issue. The later years are short (I think 3 volumes, maybe 4) that can be done quickly, so it won't hurt us to wait a couple years. IP: Logged |
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James Friel Member |
I'd agree completely with that plan, vze2. And I believe that in both cases, the later material would constitute only the final two volumes. Once again, not only do I favor ultimately archiving all the material from both series, just as the strict chronologists do, but I really do believe that either the splitting or the skipping strategy would give them a better chance of actually reaching that point than they have now. IP: Logged |
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Marty Raap Member |
Excellent post, srca1941. I've long maintained that this idea of "long period of bad followed by great" in GA Flash and GA GL is an exaggeration, and you've amplified that thought well. The other point I'll make for now is that I guess I'm a little more resigned to the wait between volumes than most people are. I can understand urgency if all you want to see is GA Flash or GA GL. I can also understand urgency if you're just plain old enough that you worry about never seeing this stuff. Not much to do about that death problem, though, and that could happen to any of us at any time anyway. But I approach it not just from a desire to see GA Flash and GA GL Archived, but from a desire to see basically everything Archived. With such a broad goal, I appreciate that it's just plain going to take some time to get to everything. Sure, in a perfect world, I'd like every issue of GA Flash or GA GL out right now. But I'd like every Archive right now. If we have to wait 2 or 3 years for the next GA GL, that's fine with me, as long as we're getting steady Archives of other great stuff in the meantime. (I'm a bit concerned about DC continuing to focus on material other than it's super-heroes -- see the new Elfquest announcement -- but that's another debate.) So I'm somewhat resigned to breaks between volumes in longer-running series. Let me emphasize that I don't want to wait TOO long before continuing volumes -- I think anything longer than 3 years is really beyond the pale. This is one reason I oppose continuing to add #1 volumes at a frenetic pace. The more ongoing titles, the more time it takes to finish any. I'd like to see a balance with some shorter series -- Starman, for instance -- getting finished as new stuff gets introduced. This would keep series moving along at a reliable, reasonable pace while still allowing for the excitement of some new titles every year. The way we're top-heavy with new titles now, though, I'm afraid this problem of waiting for volumes will just get worse with every series, not just GA Flash or GA GL. IP: Logged |
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James Friel Member |
Approaching mortality does make one focus, as Dr. Johnson said. I really don't want to be wondering when I'm 80 (that's in 2026) whether I'll make it long enough to see the Alex Toth Green Lantern and the Lee Elias Flash. For that matter, I don't even know if I'll be interested by then, hough I hope I will. Sure, any of us could be hit by a car tomorrow, but I don't expect that. I do expect in the normal order of things to have perhaps 15-25 more years of this sort of collecting at the very most. I think the aging of the leading edge of the baby boom should be a strong factor in DC's prioritizing of Golden Age reprints. IP: Logged |
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Marty Raap Member |
I agree with you there, James. If there's to be a GA/SA imbalance, I'd much rather have it favor GA. My desire to see GA Flash #2 and GA GL #3 isn't so much a desire to see those particular characters (although I do like them) as it is a sense that this is the kind of material that the Archives should really focus on. These are core DC characters, still featured in stories today, and the comics are not very accessible in any other form. Contrast this with New Teen Titans, another series that's waited long for a second volume. That doesn't worry me as much, even though I think the NTT #2 is probably more Archivable from a quality standpoint. That material is simply easier to acquire. An additional concern with GA Flash and GA GL is the amount of material to get through. So I still wouldn't jump ahead or skip around with these titles. But I really do think DC should give a preference to getting titles like this out in a reasonable time frame. The key to the problem, it seems to me, is just increase the frequency. I think even people like James would be placated somewhat if the volumes started coming out faster, say every 2 years at least, so we can at least see the light at the end of the tunnel. That really seems to me to be the solution that pleases everybody. I don't even think sales are the issue. We know from Bob Greenberger that no Archive has tanked, so sales on GA Flash and GA GL weren't unacceptable, they just apparently weren't as good as some other volumes so it's easier to ignore them for volumes that make more money (even though these do apparently make some money). Volumes like this might be good candidates to double up in a month with a more "popular" Archive like Doom Patrol #2. Or slow down those new series and finish short stuff like Starman and Enemy Ace to make more "slot room" for these longer titles to get some oxygen. IP: Logged |
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James Friel Member |
I'm with you there, Marty, but I don't think we're going to get very many years (if any) unbalanced in the direction of 1940s material. This year looks like 8-6 or 7-6 Silver-Gold at best--maybe only 9-5 or 8-5 if DStepp is right. So it appears that our best hope is a significant absolute increase in the number of annual DCU Archives volumes, and that seems to be dependent on DC's production capacity, specifically its restoration capacity, increasing. Once (if?) that happens, I imagine they'll push the envelope as hard as they can to justify the expense of new equipment and staff. I'd like to see 20-24 new DCU Archives a year, exclusive of the other stuff (Spirit, et al.), but it looks as if it'll be a while before we get there. IP: Logged |
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CMCINTYRE3600 Member |
I'm not sure about the idea of doubling up, say, GA Flash with, say, Doom Patrol or SA Superman or some other easy sell. I think it's best to assume that the average Archive buyer has a limited income and may choose the Superman over the GL in order to save money. If, however, you offer it in a month where there is no other Archive coming out, the buyer may be started for a new Archive and pick it up. At the very least they'd be more likely to pick it up out of curriosity. On the other hand, though, releasing it during a month with a high profile Archive will keep preorders lower, but it will raise potential reorders. It seems from Bob that both are important in the health of an Archive series. I guess you'll have to decide which is more important. IP: Logged |
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James Friel Member |
It seems pretty clear from the demographic data on the Archives Survey that there are a couple of distinct populations of Archive purchasers: those who have a significant minority of the volumes and those who have most or all of them, with a big trough between them. It's probably WAY too simplistic to say that they break neatly into Golden Age and Silver Age, but I'd bet that it's the single biggest division. When (I hope it's when and not if) DC begins to issue DC Universe Archives at the rate of two per month in many if not most months, doing a Silver and a Gold volume, or a very conventional superhero and either an oddball hero or a genre title in the same month seem to me to be the obvious ways to present the choices. IP: Logged |
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